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| Printable Version of Topic Click here to view this topic in its original format ExChristian.Net Open Forums > Rants & Replies > What's your definition of a Fundie? Posted by: Poseidon Sep 13 2003, 08:00 AM I'll star with my definition of a Fundie. The most basic definition of a Fundie is one who believes the inerrancy of the Bible, and supposedly if you're 'born again' then you're supposed to follow it to the teeth I think you spot some of them just by their demeanor until you won't be completely sure until you either star the conversation or he/she stars the coversation. Just wanted to get the ball rolling for now Posted by: Poseidon Sep 13 2003, 08:06 AM just wanted to clarify on the subject line, I tried to modified it but I was unable to so here's my subject line being modified Do you know one when you see one, if so how so? Posted by: TexasFreethinker Sep 13 2003, 08:09 AM QUOTE (Poseidon @ Sep 13 2003, 11:00 AM) one who believes the inerrancy of the Bible, and supposedly if you're 'born again' then you're supposed to follow it to the teeth Poseidon, I agree with the bible inerrancy part, and I would also add a component of thinking they are able to converse with god. It frightens me that there are people who think they receive instructions from god or can ask god something and he will reply. (Think Andrea Yates, the WTC bombers or the abortion clinic assassins). This has been used to justify a lot of crimial activity throughout history. When confronted with obvious contradictions in their bible, fundies will resort to saying that they've asked god about the meaning and gotten a response from him. Most of them are probably sincere and that can lead to scary beliefs and actions. That's my two cents' worth. Posted by: Tezkah Sep 13 2003, 10:56 AM They always refer to everyone as brother, or sister, except their wives... whom they refer to as "you". Posted by: TexasFreethinker Sep 13 2003, 12:08 PM There's something else going on with many fundamentalists. You get the feeling that, no matter what they say, they are kind of pleased to tell you that you'll be going to hell. It's like there's a part of their brain that responds pleasurably to the thought that others will be tormented while they'll be singing with the angels. Maybe it's the same wiring that lets fundy TV evangelists accummulate wealth and grow fat (Falwell, et al), while they know there is much starvation and poverty in the world. There's some flavor of smug satisfaction that "jesus loves me, but obviously isn't so happy with you." I just read somewhere not too long ago that there may be some scientific evidence to back this up. (Unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this, so ignore this paragraph if you want). The gist of the story was that there are specific personality types that are more attracted to strict religious beliefs that stress punishment and reward. Maybe they're a Type F personality! If this is true, I'm definitely sure I wouldn't want to be in heaven. Can you imagine a city full of Nellie Olsens and John Ashcrofts? Posted by: TexasFreethinker Sep 13 2003, 12:46 PM QUOTE (TexasFreethinker @ Sep 13 2003, 03:08 PM) I just read somewhere not too long ago that there may be some scientific evidence to back this up. (Unfortunately I can't remember where I saw this, so ignore this paragraph if you want). I just remembered where I read about this. Jon Krakauer, in his fascinating book "Under the Banner of Heaven" talks in several places about scientific and societal forces of fundamentalism. This is a great book, IMHO, and I'd recommend it to anyone wanting a deeper look into how a belief in personal revelations from god can really FUCK people up. This book is based on the Mormon sects, but is applicable to all fundamentalists in this regard. Back to the topic of this thread, there is a quote in the book taken from Karen Armstrong in "The Battle for God" that is a great description of fundamentalism. "(Fundamentalist movements) are embattled forms of spirituality which have emerged as a response to a perceived crisis. They are engaged in a conflict with enemies whose secularist policies and beliefs seem inimical to religion itself. Fundamentalists do not regard this battle as a conventional political struggle, but experience it as a cosmic war between the forces of good and evil. They fear annihilation, and try to fortify their beleaguered identity by means of a selective retrieval of certain doctrines and practices of the past. To avoid contamination, they often withdraw from mainstream society to create a counterculture; [[[homeschooling anyone?]]] yet fundamentalists are not impractical dreamers. They have absorbed the pragmatic rationalism of modernity, and, under the guidance of their charismatic leaders, they refine these "fundamentals" so as to create an ideology that provides the faithful with a plan of action. Eventually, they fight back and attempt to resacralize an increasingly skeptical world" Posted by: I Broke Free Sep 13 2003, 01:57 PM QUOTE (TexasFreethinker @ Sep 13 2003, 03:08 PM) You get the feeling that, no matter what they say, they are kind of pleased to tell you that you'll be going to hell. It's like there's a part of their brain that responds pleasurably to the thought that others will be tormented while they'll be singing with the angels. There's some flavor of smug satisfaction that "jesus loves me, but obviously isn't so happy with you." I don’t think I have ever met a fundamentalist who does not show this attribute. Heaven to them is a window on hell where they can view the torment of those who they feel have wronged them. “I may live in a trailer and work at Wal-Mart now, but you just wait until the next life. I’m a gonna watch you burn baby!” You can just see it in their eyes. PS I loved to hate Nellie Olsen.. That bitch! Posted by: woodsmoke Sep 13 2003, 05:04 PM Hehe, the more I hear about that book by Krakauer, the more I want to read it. It holds somewhat of a personal interest for me, as it was from the LDS religion that I separated. Thankfully, I don't usually have to deal with fundies, though I would imagine that's mostly due to the fact that I have yet to publically announce my atheism. I came close today, though. I was hanging out with some of my drama buddies--good guys, if a little bit churchy--and along came another drama guy (not my buddy) who graduated last year. One must understand, this guy is the living epitome of the phrase "good little MORG boy." When all the drama people used to hang out last year (he included, much to my chagrin, of course) he would always say things out of the blue like, "You know what my favorite part about the Book Of Mormon is?" "I learned about such-and-such last week in Sunday School." "I love the scriptures." Today, his first thought for an activity was to go see the new Book Of Mormon movie. I'd just bought two 24-packs of Mountain Dew, and he started preaching to me about how evil it is, and it will harm me and I'll be "shooting blanks," as he put it, when I get older. He then went so far as to say I should just open all the cans and dump them out on the pavement, letting them run down the gutters "where they belong." Personally, I'm amazed I kept my cool. I wanted for nothing more than just to release everything and let him have the full verbal force of my atheism. Posted by: TruthWarrior Sep 14 2003, 05:48 AM QUOTE (woodsmoke @ Sep 13 2003, 09:04 PM) I'd just bought two 24-packs of Mountain Dew, and he started preaching to me about how evil it is, and it will harm me and I'll be "shooting blanks," as he put it, when I get older. He then went so far as to say I should just open all the cans and dump them out on the pavement, letting them run down the gutters "where they belong." Personally, I'm amazed I kept my cool. I wanted for nothing more than just to release everything and let him have the full verbal force of my atheism. Haha! Well at least we'll get to drink Mountain Dew in hell! Fundie = one who makes fun die. Posted by: TexasFreethinker Sep 14 2003, 06:19 AM QUOTE (woodsmoke @ Sep 13 2003, 08:04 PM) Hehe, the more I hear about that book by Krakauer, the more I want to read it. Woodie, I think you would really enjoy this book. It was well-written and hard to put down. Some of the mormon doctrine and practices he mentions would obviously mean even more to you than they did to me. Can't say enough in favor of it... Posted by: IndigoRain Sep 14 2003, 07:23 AM Fundie : One you can't confuse with facts because their mind is made up. ~Jenna Posted by: woodsmoke Sep 14 2003, 10:28 AM QUOTE Haha! Well at least we'll get to drink Mountain Dew in hell! You said it! Actually, his first comment was "Just because you're 18 doesn't mean you can go off the deep end like this." I don't think anyone noticed, but I replied "You know, I wish I was 21, 'cause then I could really go off the deep end!" QUOTE Fundie = one who makes fun die. GREAT!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT!!!! I'm going to have to write that one down! Posted by: Poseidon Sep 15 2003, 12:48 PM QUOTE (TexasFreethinker @ Sep 13 2003, 08:09 AM) QUOTE (Poseidon @ Sep 13 2003, 11:00 AM) one who believes the inerrancy of the Bible, and supposedly if you're 'born again' then you're supposed to follow it to the teeth Poseidon, I agree with the bible inerrancy part, and I would also add a component of thinking they are able to converse with god. It frightens me that there are people who think they receive instructions from god or can ask god something and he will reply. (Think Andrea Yates, the WTC bombers or the abortion clinic assassins). This has been used to justify a lot of crimial activity throughout history. When confronted with obvious contradictions in their bible, fundies will resort to saying that they've asked god about the meaning and gotten a response from him. Most of them are probably sincere and that can lead to scary beliefs and actions. That's my two cents' worth. You know maybe it's just me, but most Fundies are like mainstream Christians when it comes to rationalize the Bible (although it seems that mainstream Christians tend to rationalize most of the Bible, OT and NT whereas Fundies tend to rationalize the OT more so than the NT). I guess that explains the reason that mainstream Christians, even though they extremely sugar coat their God, at least are way more rational and way more open minded than the Fundies. However when Fundies (believing the bible to be fully inerrant in the first place) even have to resort to rationalize the Bible in the first place, well it is a bit mind boggling (I guess the 'we're not perfect, just forgiven crap' excuses them in the first place ) or 'God moves in mysterious ways' crap, they tend to use those 2 excuses like 8 out of 10 in my opinion. Speaking of Christians that think God is talking to them and commit hedious crimes cuz of that, for example Paul Hill, the Fundie who was executed in Fl due to his crime in killing that doctor and somebody else at that abortion clinic, and before he died he said that he'll die like a martyr and couldn't wait to get his 'heavenly' reward. I think with people like that, the death penalty is too good to be true. I would rather send those fuckers to the toughest Penitenciaries for life without parole and put them with the worst of the worst criminals, and give them a taste of Hell in return. And the biggest irony of all, they'll probably end up being somebody's 'bitch'. LOL LOL maybe they'll get fuck in the ass long enough so they wouldn't be uptight in the first place, ummm can you say 'Poetic Justice' Posted by: TexasFreethinker Sep 15 2003, 12:54 PM QUOTE (Poseidon @ Sep 15 2003, 03:48 PM) Speaking of Christians that think God is talking to them and commit hedious crimes cuz of that, for example Paul Hill, the Fundie who was executed in Fl due to his crime in killing that doctor and somebody else at that abortion clinic, and before he died he said that he'll die like a martyr and couldn't wait to get his 'heavenly' reward. I think with people like that, the death penalty is too good to be true. I would rather send those fuckers to the toughest Penitenciaries for life without parole and put them with the worst of the worst criminals, and give them a taste of Hell in return. And the biggest irony of all, they'll probably end up being somebody's 'bitch'. LOL LOL maybe they'll get fuck in the ass long enough so they wouldn't be uptight in the first place, ummm can you say 'Poetic Justice' It's probably just the old fundy in me coming out, but it does give me pleasure to think of Paul Hill living out his own little hell in cellblock BF. Posted by: woodsmoke Sep 15 2003, 02:01 PM I agree with y'all. Like I said in another thread, give him a life sentence, the best medical care available to keep him alive for as long as possible, and throw him in a cell with Charlie, his 6'2" 320 lb. black cell-mate (& foot-long natural, to boot ) who's been in for 20 years of his life sentence on charges of rape and murder, arms as big as tree trunks, and who, for the duration of his jail-time, hasn't seen and no longer makes any distinction between male and female anal openings. Posted by: Consummate Deist Sep 16 2003, 04:27 AM QUOTE throw him in a cell with Charlie, his 6'2" 320 lb. black cell-mate (& foot-long natural, The only problem with that is that Paul just might get to enjoying that way too much! Posted by: moorezw Sep 16 2003, 08:32 AM Fundamentalists of every religion assume that the mythos and logos of their respective faiths are interchangable. For an incredibly detailed history of fundamentalism, read The Battle For God by Karen Armstrong. Posted by: woodsmoke Sep 16 2003, 10:37 AM QUOTE The only problem with that is that Paul just might get to enjoying that way too much! (sigh) I suppose you're right. Well, back to the drawing board! Hey hey, Moore's back! How's it going, pal? We missed ya'! Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com) © Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com) |