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| Printable Version of Topic Click here to view this topic in its original format ExChristian.Net Open Forums > Debating with Christians > What Is Hell Like? Posted by: legend79 May 26 2004, 01:34 AM I'm a sucker for flak: I was wondering what you believed Hell to be like from the teachings you received as a Christian? Posted by: Fweethawt May 26 2004, 01:39 AM QUOTE (legend79 @ May 26 2004, 05:34 AM) I'm a sucker for flak: I was wondering what you believed Hell to be like from the teachings you received as a Christian? I probably believed it to be everything that you are expecting to see here within this thread, that is, if anyone else posts. However, I was never really terrified by it like some people are/were. Posted by: extremeone May 26 2004, 02:10 AM hell is for saps.... it isnt a place that exsists. Posted by: R.C. May 26 2004, 03:18 AM This is a place where eternally, Fire is applied to their body. Teeth are extruded and bones are ground, And presssed into cakes which are passed around. RC Posted by: IAm_Lucifer May 26 2004, 04:35 AM Hell? Well, hell is all the bad things on earth put together. You know, the ones christians try to stay away from. Intellect, brain usage, common sense, logic, tolerance. Fun, excitement, love and plenty of SEXXX. Then again. Hell could be filled with bible thumpers who continuously bother you, no matter how many times you show them they are wrong. With no way top escape and not a second passing without hearing bible verses. Posted by: R.C. May 26 2004, 04:48 AM QUOTE Then again. Hell could be filled with bible thumpers who continuously bother you, no matter how many times you show them they are wrong. With no way top escape and not a second passing without hearing bible verses. I don't believe in hell, but if I did , I would still choose that over being in heaven with these bible thumpers! Can you imagine spending an eternity with the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell...Oh shit, and Jimmy DtD? Heaven or Hell? Pick your poison! RC Posted by: Guest May 26 2004, 04:50 AM Ok you want to know what Hell is like here have a look at my penis. Please... Posted by: IAm_Lucifer May 26 2004, 05:04 AM QUOTE No One Can Say There is No Hell Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like...how terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God's mercy upon them. O My Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend you by the least sin." (Diary 741) That's it. I'm convinced. Where do I sign up? Posted by: Quicksand May 26 2004, 05:52 AM http://www.divinemercysunday.com/vision.htm QUOTE "I, Sister Faustina Kowalska, by the order of God, have visited the Abysses of Hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence...the devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God The Loving God is also commanding the devils to hate her. QUOTE That most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell." Scary. I don't belive in Unicorns too. I wonder what punishments await. 7 different tortures. Not original. Does everything have to happen in Sevens. 7 days of creation, 7 animals....etc. Posted by: Quicksand May 26 2004, 05:55 AM QUOTE (legend79 @ May 26 2004, 01:34 AM) I'm a sucker for flak: I was wondering what you believed Hell to be like from the teachings you received as a Christian? To answer your question, as I kid I was so afraid of hell and scared shitless. I was told it was a place of eternal torment and fire for sinning. Sin was everywhere when I was kid. But I grew up and threw away my bogeymen. Posted by: REBOOT May 26 2004, 06:21 AM QUOTE The First Torture that constitutes hell is: The loss of God. Now this makes a whole lot of sense.... why would there be seven levels of torture since there would be no one to implement the 6 other levels if the first level proves true Am I missing something , can I borrow a christian brain ? Posted by: R.C. May 26 2004, 07:58 AM Is Hell really forever? If xtians maintain that it is, then not only is there such things as talking snakes and donkeys, but also ostriches and jackals with fire resistant fir and feathers: QUOTE Isa 34:8-15 8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance,The year of recompense for the cause of Zion. 9 Its streams shall be turned into pitch,And its dust into brimstone;Its land shall become burning pitch. 10 It shall not be quenched night or day;Its smoke shall ascend forever.From generation to generation it shall lie waste;No one shall pass through it forever and ever. 11 But the pelican and the porcupine shall possess it,Also the owl and the raven shall dwell in it.And He shall stretch out over it The line of confusion and the stones of emptiness. 12 They shall call its nobles to the kingdom,But none shall be there, and all its princes shall be nothing. 13 And thorns shall come up in its palaces,Nettles and brambles in its fortresses;It shall be a habitation of jackals,A courtyard for ostriches. 14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the jackals,And the wild goat shall bleat to its companion;Also the night creature shall rest there,And find for herself a place of rest. 15 There the arrow snake shall make her nest and lay eggs And hatch, and gather them under her shadow;There also shall the hawks be gathered,Every one with her mate. So unless these animals evolved to become fireproof, then I don't think that "forever" really means "forever". If it were, then how could these animals take up residence in such conditions? Notice how the author revelation borrowed this imagery: QUOTE Rev 14:10-11 He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Also, Jesus speaks of how souls will be tortured with "unquenchable" fire in the NT: QUOTE Matt 3:12 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Look how it's used here: QUOTE Jer 17:26-27 27 But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.'" Question for any xtian reading this: Is this fire that was kindled at the gates of Jerusaleum many centuries ago still burning today? If not, then your eternal fire threats are a bit misplaced. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Were you aware that the longest "forever" in your bible was only three days?: QUOTE Jonah 2:2-6 In my distress I called to the LORD, and he answered me. From the depths of the grave I called for help, and you listened to my cry. 3 You hurled me into the deep, into the very heart of the seas, and the currents swirled about me; all your waves and breakers swept over me. 4 I said, 'I have been banished from your sight; yet I will look again toward your holy temple.' 5 The engulfing waters threatened me,the deep surrounded me; seaweed was wrapped around my head. 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O LORD my God. Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days, which to him, I'm sure felt like "forever". ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It may also be beneficial for xtians to look in to the greek meaning of the word "eternity", "everlasting", and "forever", when it appears in the NT. The greek word that these are translated from is "ainios", which simply means " age", not infinity. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Also, notice how the OT authors sometimes refer to the Old Laws as "everlasting" laws and covenants. They were'nt too "everlasting" if they have been replaced huh? RC Posted by: Tanz May 26 2004, 08:14 AM Two words: Dante's Inferno, which is actually a pretty good little book. But now, I believe if there is a hell, it's filled with 700 Club members who believed they were better than the rest of the earth's population because they sent in their 20 dollar checks to the Christian Coalititon and were 'saved'. If there is a God, I'm sure he'd like to strike down that kind of arrogance. Posted by: Reach May 26 2004, 08:40 AM ...or so I've heard. How inviting? Posted by: Lokmer May 26 2004, 08:46 AM Not to be flippiant, and I say this in all seriousness with only the very slightest smirk, but hell definately bears an uncanny resemblance to a Plymouth Bretheren church. -Lokmer Posted by: Adder_Noir May 26 2004, 09:55 AM QUOTE (IAm_Lucifer @ May 26 2004, 02:04 PM) QUOTE No One Can Say There is No Hell Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like...how terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God's mercy upon them. O My Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend you by the least sin." (Diary 741) I don't know were this has been dragged up from but it is the most blatant pile of shite I have ever seen. 'I would rather live till the end of the world in agony then offend you with the least of sin.' I bet he went straight out and fucked some young woman doggy style over a railing after writing that. What a load of crap. Once and for all Christianity...Please FUCK OFF Posted by: Reality Amplifier May 26 2004, 10:14 PM Off topic, but what if there is a God, and the only way into Heaven was to be an atheist, agnostic, or deist? That is, to use the intellect that he gave us... Posted by: Outsider May 26 2004, 10:43 PM QUOTE (Guest @ May 26 2004, 07:50 AM) Ok you want to know what Hell is like here have a look at my penis. Please... Well, if it burns that much, you might want to get it checked out! Ouch! Posted by: Fweethawt May 27 2004, 12:17 AM QUOTE (Reality Amplifier @ May 27 2004, 02:14 AM) Off topic, but what if there is a God, and the only way into Heaven was to be an atheist, agnostic, or deist? That is, to use the intellect that he gave us... I've actually pondered this also at one point. What if there really is a truly good, perfect, and pure God who has set aside a place of eternal punishment for those who spread hateful lies about Him in order to stroke their own ego here on Earth? WOW! Perhaps there is only a few people that make it in to Heaven, huh? I know, some of you are probably shocked at what I just wrote. But even Fweethawt has an occasional case of mental flatulence once in a while. Posted by: JimmyDtD May 27 2004, 05:57 AM R.C. I stumbled in here and behold! You mention my name! If we were together in Hell, get ready! I'm going to sing Beatle tunes to you for the first 10,000 years. (and I don't sing too well.) I don't want to spoil the party so I'll go, I would hate my disappointment to show, There's nothing for me here so I will disappear, If she turns up while I'm gone please let me know. I've had a drink or two and I don't care, There's no fun in what I do if she's not there, I wonder what went wrong I've waited far too long, I think I'll take a walk and look for her. Though tonight she's made me sad, I still love her, If I find her I'll be glad, I still love her. I don't want to spoil the party so I'll go, I would hate my disappointment to show, There's nothing for me here so I will disappear, If she turns up while I'm gone please let me know. Though tonight she's made me sad, I still love her, If I find her I'll be glad, I still love her. I've had a drink or two and I don't care, There's no fun in what I do if she's not there, I wonder what went wrong I've waited far too long, I think I'll take a walk and look for her. Posted by: R.C. May 27 2004, 06:05 AM QUOTE If we were together in Hell, get ready! I'm going to sing Beatle tunes to you for the first 10,000 years. (and I don't sing too well.) Like, I said, pick your poison. There's not much of a difference between heaven and hell to me! Jimmy, I've been waiting on a xtian to comment on those passages that i provided from the OT, about how "forever" is only a hyperbole. What do you think? Are there really such things as fire resistant ostriches? And btw, I really did'nt mean anything derogatory when I commented about having to spend an eternity in heaven with you ( personally)...that remark was meant at all fundamentalist xtians. RC Posted by: legend79 May 27 2004, 07:31 AM R.C. I thought I'd take a bash at your quotes. Isaiah: not actually about Hell, a prophecy of the fall of Babylon. The thing is, and perhaps it is not taught in more fundamentalist circles, the Bible is not all written in factual language, some of it is poetry and some is figurative, some is history, some is story. This is a figuraitive description of what will happen, you can spot that by the fact that Babylon did not fall in this way. Revelation: tougher one this, it does talk about Satan (who posts here I've noticed) and his signed up followers rather than the general population. Also in another part of revelation it describes the area around God's throne and does not mention anything about fiery pits or give room for them. So maybe this again is figurative? The whole of Revelation is a vision so perhaps Heaven and Hell are nothing like how they are said in Revelation but were shown that way in order for us to understand. After all fire is an earthly thing, would it exist in the spiritual realm? Matthew: He's using it as a metaphor, in the farming world the chaff would have been burnt. Ergo, He is not necessarily saying that people will actually burn. You could read it that those not following God will just disappear as Chaff disappears once it has been burnt. Then again of course it could all be literal. Do you think my explanations hold water? Posted by: R.C. May 27 2004, 07:59 AM Legend, Your explanation is very similar to the explanations given by the United Church of God, and the Christadelphian denomination. That is, they reject the doctrine of a literal fiery hereafter for non-believers. They use passages like the ones I provided to support that "forever" is simply a hyperbole. Because if it were not, then those animals in Isaiah 34 could not have thrived in a land that would burn "forever", and that would not be "quenched". Also, regarding the passage in Jeremiah about the "unquenchable" fire that was set outside the gates of Jerusaleum, : i doubt seriously that that fire is still burning today. In the story of Jonah, he spent 3 days in the belly of the whale; but he aptly used the hyperbole "forever" in his description. God's "everlasting" laws of the OT were not "everlasting" in the sense that we think, if they were overriden by the new law and covenant of christ. The term "ainios" means Age. The bible god works in ages. The bible often speaks about the ages to come. If he is the creator, what do you think that he was doing during those ages upon ages upon ages before the universe was created. Perhaps he had other projects for those ages as well. Xtians (the fundy variety) and non-xtians alike frown on this doctrine. For the fundy, they lose the element of fear in spreading their religion; for non-xtians, they lose the fun of argument in pointing out how barbaric the xtian god is for plunging someone to an infinity of senseless torture. Many denominations ( like the ones I mentioned above) are finally realizing that the infinite torture doctrine is simply not supported in their bible. RC Posted by: PW unregistered May 27 2004, 02:13 PM Just wondering if the xtian god still loves his createres after they "choose" to go to hell, or if he finally writes them off? If he still loves them dearly, how does he manifest his love? Posted by: R.C. May 27 2004, 02:24 PM QUOTE (PW unregistered @ May 27 2004, 02:13 PM) Just wondering if the xtian god still loves his createres after they "choose" to go to hell, or if he finally writes them off? If he still loves them dearly, how does he manifest his love? According to the buybull, his love and mercy is manifested when the sentence in hell is served. Not that I beleive in hell to begin with, but xtians have absolutely no scriptural basis for this infinite torture doctrine. GO fire resistant porcupines! RC Posted by: sexkitten May 27 2004, 02:31 PM I have an image in my head of restraints, whips, and people in black leather yelling at you. But, that's just a fantasy I cling to in case hell turns out to be real and I end up there... Posted by: Kaiser Soze May 28 2004, 01:42 AM Lets look at this logically. Presumably in Hell there'll be everything that God and Christianity promotes as inherently wrong, correct? This means lots of group sex, rock and roll music, alcohol, homosexuality and Harry Potter books. Where do I sign up? Posted by: legend79 May 28 2004, 03:53 AM Never really thought about the forever stuff, perhaps you are right about ages. What did God do before creating the world? Dunno, whether it was ages or eternity it seems a long time to be just hanging around. Then again there is no time outside of this universe so maybe it wouldn't be long. Or short. Hmm. Yeah, I think both Jeremiah and Jonah were going over the top with forever, probably using it to show a long time; to Jonah his adventures in the sea must have felt like an eternity, it's all relative you know. As for Hell being all fire and brimstone, I think you are right, it's prob not that. Neither is it all the things Christians say are wrong (often they are misinformed) it is simply a place without God, which you atheists would probably enjoy. Fundies might stone me for this but heaven will be full of sex and booze. The Bible quite clearly states that there are parties and feasts in Heaven and wine overflowing. Sex? One of God's great ideas, it's not going to get missed out in Heaven is it? It has been said that God does not send people to Hell they choose to go there, you choose to be apart from God and so when you die you get your wish. That would make it less a punishment and more a fulfillment. Posted by: Redshift May 28 2004, 05:40 AM Why would there be sex in a spiritual realm? An orgasm is nature's reward for attempting to procreate. QUOTE It has been said that God does not send people to Hell they choose to go there, you choose to be apart from God and so when you die you get your wish. Why do Christians always insist that atheism is a choice? I don't choose to be apart from "God". I'm simply not convinced of its existence. I am, however, convinced that the Hebrew tribe's anthropomorphic father-figure-creator-God, as featured in the Bible, does not exist. Posted by: Reach May 28 2004, 11:34 AM QUOTE (PW unregistered @ May 27 2004, 05:13 PM) Just wondering if the xtian god still loves his creatures after they "choose" to go to hell, or if he finally writes them off? If he still loves them dearly, how does he manifest his love? That has always puzzled me too, PW. Is his love conditional upon our choices? And Redshift said, "I don't choose to be apart from 'God.' I'm simply not convinced of its existence." If Redshift remains unconvinced, does he become unloved or unlovable and at which point did he become so? Where was the line and was their any kind of warning that was not the voice of another boy crying wolf? It seems that, up to now, some of the manifestation of "the love of God" has been like an act in the play of life that got missed altogether. Someone is not communicating love very well and I'm not blaming Redshift or any of us. And preaching on hell seems to be nothing more than crying wolf. Powered by Invision Power Board (http://www.invisionboard.com) © Invision Power Services (http://www.invisionpower.com) |