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Posted by: michelle Mar 8 2005, 07:31 PM
The Rebel


The rebel is a man who is on the point of accepting or rejecting the sacred and determined on laying claim to a human situation in which all the answers are human-in other words, formulated in reasonable terms. From this moment every question, every word, is an act of rebellion while in the sacred world every word is an act of grace. It would be possible to demonstrate in this manner that only two possible worlds can exist for the human mind: the sacred ( or, to speak in Christian terms, the world of grace) and the world of rebellion... Nowadays whole societies have wanted to discard the sacred. We live in an unsacrosanct moment in history. Insurrection is certainly not the sum total of human experience. But history today, with all it's storm and strife, compels us to say that rebellion is one of the essential dimensions of man. It is our historic reality. Unless we choose to ignore reality, we must find our values in it. Is it possible to find a rule of conduct outside the realm of religion and it's absolute values? That is the question raised by rebellion.
The metaphysical rebel. . . attacks a shattered world in order to demand unity from it. He opposes the principle of justice which he finds in himself to the principle of injustice which he sees being applied in the world. . . Metaphysical rebellion is a claim, motivated by the concept of a complete unity, against the suffering of life and death and a protest against the human condition both for its incompleteness, thanks to death, and its wastefulness, thanks to evil. If a mass death sentence defines the human condition, then rebellion, in one sense, is its contemporary. At the same time that he rejects his mortality, the rebel refuses to recognize the power that compels him to live in this condition. The metaphysical rebel therefore not definitely an atheist, as one might think him, but he is inevitably a blasphemer. Quite simply, he blasphemes primarily in the name of order, denouncing God as the father of death and as a supreme outrage.
. . . If the metaphysical rebel ranges himself against a power whose existence he simultaneously affirms, he only admits the existence of this power at the very instant that he calls it into question. Then he involves this superior being in the same humiliating adventure as mankind's, its ineffectual power being the equivalent of our ineffectual condition. He subjects it to our power of refusal, bends it to the unbending part of human nature, forcibly integrates it into an existence that we render absurd, and finally drags it from its refuge outside time and involves it in history, very from the eternal stability that it can find only in the unanimous submission of all men. Thus rebellion affirms that, on its own level, any concept of superior existence is contradictory, to say the least.
And so the history of metaphysical rebellion cannot be confused with that of atheism. . . The rebel defies more than he denies. Originally, at least, he does not suppress God; he merely talks to him as an equal. But it is not a polite dialogue.
It is a polemic animated by the desire to conquer. The slave begins by demanding justice and ends by wanting to wear a crown. He must dominate in his turn. His insurrection against his condition becomes an unlimited campaign against the heavens for the purpose of bringing back a captive king who will first be dethroned and finally condemned to death. Human rebellion ends in metaphysical revolution. It progresses from appearances to acts, from the dandy to the revolutionary. When the throne of God is overturned, the rebel realizes that it is now his own responsibility to create the justice, order, and unity that he sought in vain within his own condition, and in this way to justify the fall of God.
Human insurrection, in its exalted and tragic forms, is only, and can only be, a prolonged protest against death, a violent accusation against the universal death penalty. In every case that we have come across, the protest is always directed at everything in creation which is dissonant, opaque, or promises the solution of continuity. Essentially, then, we are dealing with a perpetual demand for unity. The rejection of death, the desire for immortality and for clarity, are the mainsprings of all these extravagances, whether sublime or puerile. Is it only a cowardly and personal refusal to die? No, for many of these rebels have paid the ultimate price in order to live up to their own demands. The rebel does not and for clarity, are the mainsprings of all these extravagances, implied by death. If nothing lasts, then nothing is justified; everything that dies is deprives of meaning. To fight against death amounts to claiming that life has a meaning, to fighting for order and for unity. . .
Even if God existed, Ivan would never surrender to Him in the face of the injustice done to man. But a longer contemplation of this injustice, a more bitter approach, transformed the "even if you exist" into "you do not deserve to exist", therefore "you do not exist". The victims have found in their own innocence the justification for the final crime. Convinced of their condemnation and without hope of immortality, they decided to murder God.




Can anyone relate to going through a stage like that? I can. This page really blew my mind even though I needed a damn dictionary to read it. lmao_99.gif

Posted by: Cerise Mar 8 2005, 07:41 PM
Apparently, Camus liked to borrow from Nietzsche extensively...

Murder God indeed. PageofCupsNono.gif GONZ9729CustomImage1539775.gif

Posted by: Diogenes Mar 8 2005, 09:12 PM
Thank you for posting this. I love Camus, even previously used his image as my avatar here at exC. I also posted a lengthy excerpt from his Myth of Sysiphus. Unfortunately, there was little or no response to it. Oh well, I didn't care.

I was first introduced to Camus' The Rebel, as a Christian, when it was presented by Rev. Rushdoony as an accurate portrayal as godless modern man in the universe.

Anyway, the passage you posted so accurately describes how I have dealt with my deconversion. I had been in such a fog with respect to God. For many years, it was clear that he wasn't there, but I just wouldn't admit it. In rejecting him, he became more real than before, in the sense that I needed to consider his existence, his attributes, the claims about him, in order to fully reject him.

This is what I felt after reading Job, questioning it in light of my own life, reading Jung's Answer to Job, etc.

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Originally, at least, he does not suppress God; he merely talks to him as an equal. But it is not a polite dialogue.


Finally I (and Camus is so on target here):
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transformed the "even if you exist" into "you do not deserve to exist", therefore "you do not exist".


But enough said. I Cryotanknotworthy.gif you for posting the Camus reference.






Posted by: quicksand Mar 9 2005, 07:00 AM
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Thank you for posting this. I love Camus, even previously used his image as my avatar here at exC. I also posted a lengthy excerpt from his Myth of Sysiphus. Unfortunately, there was little or no response to it. Oh well, I didn't care.

You did? I Miss that. The Myth of Sysiphus is one of my favorite books. I've been thinking about rereading it again.


Posted by: Diogenes Mar 9 2005, 11:07 AM
QUOTE (quicksand @ Mar 9 2005, 03:00 PM)
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Thank you for posting this. I love Camus, even previously used his image as my avatar here at exC. I also posted a lengthy excerpt from his Myth of Sysiphus. Unfortunately, there was little or no response to it. Oh well, I didn't care.

You did? I Miss that. The Myth of Sysiphus is one of my favorite books. I've been thinking about rereading it again.

Quick, I think you were on your self-imposed banishment (or was it a vacation?).

By all means bring it up again when you re-read it.

Posted by: quicksand Mar 9 2005, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (Diogenes @ Mar 9 2005, 11:07 AM)
QUOTE (quicksand @ Mar 9 2005, 03:00 PM)
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Thank you for posting this. I love Camus, even previously used his image as my avatar here at exC. I also posted a lengthy excerpt from his Myth of Sysiphus. Unfortunately, there was little or no response to it. Oh well, I didn't care.

You did? I Miss that. The Myth of Sysiphus is one of my favorite books. I've been thinking about rereading it again.

Quick, I think you were on your self-imposed banishment (or was it a vacation?).

By all means bring it up again when you re-read it.

Hmm, banishment or Hiatus?

Will do Dio!

Posted by: Reach Mar 9 2005, 12:09 PM
I loved Camus, but... unfortunately, I had to read him in French. JoyLynouch.gif

Posted by: quicksand Mar 9 2005, 12:12 PM
QUOTE (Reach @ Mar 9 2005, 12:09 PM)
I loved Camus, but... unfortunately, I had to read him in French. JoyLynouch.gif

Really? Was that more difficult? I had to read "Waiting for Godot" in French. Forgot completely what that was about. How about you Reachster?

Posted by: NIGHTFLIGHT Mar 9 2005, 05:06 PM
Good post Michelle!

Posted by: Reach Mar 10 2005, 07:26 AM
QUOTE (quicksand @ Mar 9 2005, 12:12 PM)
QUOTE (Reach @ Mar 9 2005, 12:09 PM)
I loved Camus, but... unfortunately, I had to read him in French.  JoyLynouch.gif

Really? Was that more difficult? I had to read "Waiting for Godot" in French. Forgot completely what that was about. How about you Reachster?

Quickster, yes, it was much more difficult and like you, I had to read Voltaire and even Victor Hugo, as well, in French.

I got more out of these authors, reading them in English, later, and not missing so much of the subtlety and nuance. France has produced some brilliant philosophers. Cryotanknotworthy.gif

Thanks much for the article, Michelle.

Posted by: Diogenes Mar 10 2005, 09:35 AM
QUOTE (Reach @ Mar 10 2005, 03:26 PM)
France has produced some brilliant philosophers.   Cryotanknotworthy.gif


Indeed, although Albert was French by nationality, he was Algerian by birth. So he was French, Sartre of. But that's putting Descartes before the horse. You know, as the old saying goes: 'you reap what Rousseau'. I think, the French Enlightenment Marx the pinnacle of philosophy, therefore I am. Comte to think of it, of the three major European Enlightenment powers, France, Germany, & England, Hume do you think was the greatest? None of them are a Locke. In fact, I Kant decide. Camus? And Dewey just casually dismiss the modern American philosophers? Anyway, almost time to go to lunch, but I'm not hungry so I'll spend my lunch hour at the store, maybe Schopenhauer, then come back to work.

Later.



(Ok, I admit that last one was a REAL stretch)

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