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Posted by: Karl Nov 9 2004, 04:21 PM
Clarion call!

While listening to Tony Trupiano's show ('The Free Speech Zone') here in Detroit on WXDX 1310 AM this afternoon http://www.thetonyshow.com a caller stated that his wife had gone to her HMO doctor to deal with a kidney stone. While there, she figured she would renew her birth control pill prescription. She was refused by her doctor because he said he "didn't believe in" birth control pills. It can be difficult in HMO situations to switch primary care physicians, not to mention having to possibly drive much greater distances, etc.

At that point, Tony's phones just about melted about this issue. The fundies were all calling in, pro-choice people were calling in, and it got pretty intense. Tony also has a forum on his site. I have not yet posted there, due to time constraints. Any of you should feel free to go in there, explore, and make your opinions known if you so choose, especially if there is fundie fodder....

More outrageous stuff:

QUOTE (from http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-08-druggists-pill_x.htm)

Posted 11/8/2004 10:11 PM Updated 11/9/2004 3:14 AM

Druggists refuse to give out pill

By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription because she did not believe in birth control.

"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills. "Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar bills this year.
The American Pharmacists Association, with 50,000 members, has a policy that says druggists can refuse to fill prescriptions if they object on moral grounds, but they must make arrangements so a patient can still get the pills. Yet some pharmacists have refused to hand the prescription to another druggist to fill......

.....In Wisconsin, a petition drive is underway to revive a proposed law that would protect pharmacists who refuse to prescribe drugs they believe could cause an abortion or be used for assisted suicide.

"It just recognizes that pharmacists should not be forced to choose between their consciences and their livelihoods," says Matt Sande of Pro-Life Wisconsin. "They should not be compelled to become parties to abortion."


So now, a woman has to find not only a non-fundie doctor, but also a non-fundie pharmacist! Wendybanghead.gif Additionally, more than a few women use the pill for hormonal balance, etc. These actions are a direct threat to women's Rights and Health.

QUOTE (from http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...,361521,00.html)

Jesus and the FDA

By KAREN TUMULTY

Saturday, Oct. 05, 2002

A quiet battle is raging over the Bush Administration's plan to appoint a scantily credentialed doctor, whose writings include a book titled As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now, to head an influential Food and Drug Administration (FDA) panel on women's health policy.

Sources tell Time that the agency's choice for the advisory panel is Dr. W. David Hager, an obstetrician-gynecologist who also wrote, with his wife Linda, Stress and the Woman's Body, which puts "an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one's life" and recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome.

Though his resume describes Hager as a University of Kentucky professor, a university official says Hager's appointment is part time and voluntary and involves working with interns at Lexington's Central Baptist Hospital, not the university itself. In his private practice, two sources familiar with it say, Hager refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager did not return several calls for comment.

FDA advisory panels often have near-final say over crucial health questions. If Hager becomes chairman of the 11-member Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee, he will lead its study of hormone-replacement therapy for menopausal women, one of the biggest controversies in health care. Some conservatives are trying to use doubts about such therapy to discredit the use of birth-control pills, which contain similar compounds.

The panel also made the key recommendation in 1996 that led to approval of the "abortion pill," RU-486—a decision that abortion foes are still fighting. Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.

Hager was chosen for the post by FDA senior associate commissioner Linda Arey Skladany, a former drug-industry lobbyist with longstanding ties to the Bush family.

Skladany rejected at least two nominees proposed by FDA staff members: Donald R. Mattison, former dean of the University of Pittsburgh School of Public Health, and Michael F. Greene, director of maternal- fetal medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. Despite pressure from inside the FDA to make the appointment temporary, sources say, Skladany has insisted that Hager get a full four-year term. FDA spokesman Bill Pierce called Hager "well qualified."


This type of appointment does not have to be approved by Congress.

QUOTE (from http://www.dailyfreepress.com/news/2003/03/05/News/Women8217s.Rights.Groups.Decry.Bush.Appointee-386347.shtml)

Women’s rights groups decry Bush appointee

By Linda Boulden
Published: Wednesday, March 5, 2003

Women’s rights and pro-choice activists are still seething after President George W. Bush’s December appointment of a staunch anti-abortionist and proponent of religious methods in treatment to the Food and Drug Administration’s Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee.

Dr. W. David Hager, a practicing OB/GYN in Kentucky, is known to refuse contraceptive prescriptions for unmarried women, recommend Bible scriptures as a solution to premenstrual syndrome and, most notably, recommend that the abortion drug, RU-486, be shelved......

.....The advisory committee has been inactive for the past two years, and is now being brought back into commission with Bush’s appointment of 11 new outside experts. Though the committee’s recommendations to the FDA are non-binding, members’ decisions are influential on the agency, said FDA spokesman Brad Stone.....

....Susanne Martinez, vice president of public policy for Planned Parenthood, issued a statement attacking Hager’s theological position.

“There is no place for such ‘theological gynecology’ on this important committee,” Martinez said in the statement. “If appointed, his narrow, theologically based views on abortion and contraception will affect not only his patients but all women.”....


To learn more about the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee visit:
http://www.fdaadvisorycommittee.com/FDC/AdvisoryCommittee/Committees/Reproductive+Health+Drugs/default.htm

The shit is starting to go down, folks....

K

Posted by: phoenix Nov 9 2004, 09:16 PM
that seriously makes me want to cry...

Posted by: spidermonkey Nov 9 2004, 09:18 PM
I need to get my tubes tied before doctors refuse to do THAT on moral grounds (Wendywhatever.gif) as well.


Posted by: Fweethawt Nov 9 2004, 10:53 PM
Christianity.....

It can't find a solution to a single problem,
but it'll pound women into the ground every
chance that it gets.

Wendybanghead.gif

Posted by: rainyday8169 Nov 10 2004, 06:45 AM
Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself American
What was it this country stood for again?
Everyone seems to have forgotten

Posted by: Biggles7268 Nov 10 2004, 06:55 AM
grrrrr

Posted by: Reach Nov 10 2004, 08:34 AM
QUOTE (Karl @ Nov 9 2004, 03:21 PM)
Clarion call!

Susanne Martinez... “There is no place for such ‘theological gynecology’ on this important committee.” 

The shit is starting to go down, folks....

There is no place for such 'theological gynecology' on this planet. WendyDoh.gif

I'm thankful for the seemingly dwindling numbers of brave souls who, in the face of opposition, danger and personal risk, are still willing to serve the reproductive requirements of men and women. In some parts of the U.S. it's also becoming increasingly more difficult to find physicians who will perform vasectomies.

Posted by: Tocis Nov 10 2004, 08:41 AM
QUOTE (rainyday8169 @ Nov 10 2004, 05:45 AM)
Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself American
What was it this country stood for again?
Everyone seems to have forgotten

I think the current slogan is "land of the fear, home of the slaves". user posted image

Posted by: Lila Bender Nov 13 2004, 01:42 PM




AAAARRGGGHHHH!!!!





Posted by: Vixentrox Nov 13 2004, 01:49 PM
While I don't really have a problem with an individual not passing out the pill becuase they think it morally wrong, the company needs to have someone else available that will. The fact that a doc won't issue birth control should also be clearly stated at time of employment so the pharmacy can choose not to hire them or have a backup plan in place.

Posted by: Freespirit Nov 13 2004, 04:38 PM
This is truly frightening. Makes me wonder how much more of our freedom will be taken away in the next 4 years ... WendyDoh.gif

Posted by: Rachelness Nov 13 2004, 06:04 PM
Jesus fucking Christ... It makes me so pissed off that my fellow women in America are having their rights seized. ARGH! Wendystop.gif

Posted by: Haener Nov 13 2004, 07:20 PM
While yet another important position within the US government is taken up by a fundie here in Europe I am wondering which possibility actually applies to the US.

Either a majority does not (want to) see that fundies are taking over the government or a majority supports that or at least doesn't mind the appointment of such idiots. While we can rant all we want at forums like these I don't see this movement towards a theocracy slowing down anytime soon, especially with the reelection of our born-again christian president Bush.

Though ranting about it sure is fun FrogsToadBigGrin.gif

Posted by: luck mermaid Nov 13 2004, 11:04 PM
"Christianity.....

It can't find a solution to a single problem,
but it'll pound women into the ground every
chance that it gets."

I swear every church, bible, biblecamp, christrally, website, christian bookstore, etc should have a plaque made of that nd hang it on the wall. It hsould be one of Christianity's slogans, like 'John 3:16" and "let he who has no sin cast the first stone".... a little to the left of the doorway, with a picture of , say a white boy playing with a frisby while his sister reads the bible in the background, with a border of flowers "Christianity.... It can't find a solution to a single problem, but it'll pound women into the ground every chance that it gets."

Maybe put a few votive candles under it if it's a Catholic bookstore.

Posted by: Wandering~but~not~lost Nov 15 2004, 01:50 PM
that is just sick. Wendybanghead.gif
i bet that if the pharmacists were refusing to hand out viagra, this would have become a national outrage by now.

Posted by: rainyday8169 Nov 15 2004, 02:14 PM
You know this is only the beginning right?

Posted by: Freespirit Nov 17 2004, 04:56 PM
QUOTE (rainyday8169 @ Nov 15 2004, 04:14 PM)
You know this is only the beginning right?

I really hope you're wrong about that ... but I doubt it.

Posted by: Merlinfmct87 Nov 22 2004, 01:47 AM
QUOTE (Wandering~but~not~lost @ Nov 15 2004, 08:50 PM)
that is just sick. Wendybanghead.gif
i bet that if the pharmacists were refusing to hand out viagra, this would have become a national outrage by now.

HAH. Good point.

QUOTE (rainyday8169 @ Nov 10 2004, 01:45 PM)
Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself American
What was it this country stood for again?
Everyone seems to have forgotten

How many times I've said the same words. I've been mistaken for british or irish many a time. I don't think I've corrected them ONCE.

Merlin

Posted by: Necrosmith Nov 23 2004, 08:41 PM
Absolutely, positively, without a doubt just wrong. Plain wrong.

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