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| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 9 2005, 06:40 PM |
| forums. Well Once again I got baned, even after the one friend I have left fought for me to get in it seems like the second a christian hears about someone having a story that doesnt match with their dogma or that tells people how thigs really work in the christian church they go behind your back and get you banned. As I told My friend, This was going to happen. now my friend has left. And I got banned again. Silly me I thought Christians could handle the truth. welp I was right, and was wrong at the same time. Dont these peopel realise that I get proven right when they censor the truth I spout abotu them? |
| Posted by: ObbiQuiet Mar 9 2005, 07:40 PM |
| No, censorship does not prove you right, because there are many reasons why people get censored. That's often Creationist logic: "They want to censor Creationism from textbooks. That just proves they know we're right!" |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 9 2005, 07:46 PM |
| Im proven right because I am banned for showing the "Man Behind the Curtain" you have to admit they always try to shut up the voices of dissent. |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 9 2005, 07:47 PM |
| What forum did y'all get booted from? If its ok to ask. |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 9 2005, 07:48 PM |
| Not that I expect people to do my fighting for me, but in the words of O&A "Serious questions only".http://hannity.com/forum Im done and I just wanted to bitch about it. |
| Posted by: Merlinfmct87 Mar 9 2005, 07:50 PM | ||
It's something to bring up. On it's own, it does not validate your point. It proves only one thing: An admin doesn't want your voice heard. The motive for that can range from anything from you spoke truths they want buried to you were spreading nazi propoganda. Either one would warrant banning. Give me evidence that they don't want the truth out there and I'll believe you. Merlin |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 9 2005, 07:50 PM |
| Never been there. But thanks for the link. I won't mention your banning if I should poke around there. |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 9 2005, 07:55 PM |
| Merlin: Hasnt the History of the church proven anything? I mean for crying out loud these people burn books when ever they get a chance. Let's face facts, Given the chance they will do anything to silence voices that prove their allegations to be horseshit. Copernicus, the Inquisition, the Witch Trials, How many signals do we need to see before we realise these people are not going to stop until we get ONLY their perspective on life. |
| Posted by: ObbiQuiet Mar 9 2005, 07:59 PM |
| There's something I want to complain about... One thing I sometimes see starting to happen here is a direct repeat of Creationist group tactics. Not necessarily here, but I've often seen other atheists make a poorly thought-out point - yet because an atheist made it I see other atheists agree with them and suppor their point. This you commonly see in Creationism - people are so ready to support eachother that they affirm any claim another Creationist makes. Please, please don't do that. Though I'm atheist I attempt to critically examine all points made by all people - especially other atheists. If I see someone in error, even if they're arguing for the same thing I am, I will point it out. Please don't let whatever motivates you form an "us vs them" mentality. |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 9 2005, 08:03 PM |
| They are the one who creater the Us vs. them Mentality It's a commandment in their religion for crying out loud to them WE are the enemy. there fore we must be silenced and hopefully destroyed. In their mindset, Anything they can do to shut us out they will do. |
| Posted by: ObbiQuiet Mar 9 2005, 08:07 PM | ||
Oh, please, that's rediculous. Most of them believe they have the truth. If they believe that then why must we be "silenced and hopefully destroyed"? Just because the Catholic church always took a... "proactive" stance against unbelievers doesn't mean that Xtians will also. Many of them also consider us as merely misguided. "Hate the sin not the sinner." Often cognitive dissonance may be invoked when something unpleasant contradicts a world-view - but this doesn't mean that they're ruthless like the old church - and this particularly doesn't mean that they believe, somehow, that we are actually right. |
| Posted by: Merlinfmct87 Mar 9 2005, 08:09 PM | ||
You want to lecture me about the church's history of destruction, go ahead. I could probably write it for you. What I was saying is that the church silences ALL voices other than it's own. That can, by definition, include incorrect ones. Please read through my post again. I was NOT saying they were right for banning you, I was saying that them banning you does NOT automatically make you right. Follow? Merlin |
| Posted by: Merlinfmct87 Mar 9 2005, 08:10 PM | ||
Hey, we're supposed to be BETTER than them, remember? So why are you stooping to their justifications?? Merlin |
| Posted by: Slayer-2004 Mar 9 2005, 08:13 PM |
| I would second what Obbiquier says on one note : This entirely depends on what you got banned for . But in the end while it may be proof on top of many many cases like this where non christians are banned for making others think ... but only if you only stated basic facts . If you were acting like an arse then it doesnt mean anything . -No matter what , this doesnt prove christianity false . -Neither does it mean all christians are closed minded , just that enough of them are closed minded that many of them can still manage to gain mod positions . Also remember that "Acting like an arse" means something differant here then most forums . Lol we practically allow almost anything here . Even obvious diehard trolls like quine are still around . |
| Posted by: MrSpooky Mar 9 2005, 08:13 PM |
| Don't worry, Obbi. I don't see it often, myself, and when I do I just slap my forehead and groan. |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 9 2005, 08:22 PM |
| Hey cu_mhorrigan. Check your messages man.. |
| Posted by: Reach Mar 10 2005, 04:27 AM | ||
Most western Christians don't know church history because they don't read (especially, religious materials) and there isn't much church history on television. |
| Posted by: skankboy Mar 10 2005, 05:16 AM |
| cu_mhorrigan, Just curious, what exactly were you talking about that got you banned? Was there a specific topic that pissed them off or were you banned for "not playing nice" with the other kids? |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 10 2005, 05:21 AM | ||||
I'm one of those people that dont care about "Being Better" than My enemies I care about winning. They make it abundantly clear that they hatre US period. All that crap about "hate the sin and Love the sinner" is yet another semantical game they play in order to lull us into a false sense of security. "Being Better" than someone doesnt mean you let people get away with shit; it means you fought them and you won. Period, Like we were better than Nazi Germany because we BEAT THE SHIT out of them. We were Better than imperial Japan because we not only defeated them; we bombed two of their cities out of existance. It was not necessarilly a matter of My ethics were better than theirs it was a matter of My bombs were bigger than theirs. It's the same idea, the xians are clear that people who are not in their little club are their enemies. and enemy to either be converted, subjugated and/or eventually killed. |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 10 2005, 08:13 AM |
| <"It's the same idea, the xians are clear that people who are not in their little club are their enemies. and enemy to either be converted, subjugated and/or eventually killed."> I agree with most of this when it comes to some fundies. Look at what missionaries do over seas. Look at the foothold some of them tried to get in our government. Look at the damage done in family life. Its damaging on many levels. I aint so sure they'd want to kill folks but subjugation and suppression of anything unchristian might be a problem. Those things are worth fighting against. I think that bible worship..."God says.." will always be potentialy dangerous given the history of certain religions. And that it isn't unreasonable to have a healthy measure of paranoia of any organizations, polticians, and especialy religions. Luke warm christians are furtile grounds for deconversion. Deconverting folks in RT is easier than online due to censorship. I think for the most part it is a waste of time and effort to try to deconvert fundies. I'm glad most christians aren't fundies. I think all fundamentalism is worth fighting against by changing the minds of luke warm christians so that they don't get sucked in by fundies. |
| Posted by: Mr. Neil Mar 10 2005, 08:25 AM | ||
Yes. That's a crutch that Kent Hovind has used to support his entire career. |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 10 2005, 08:25 AM |
| Although debating online with fundies is good practice. Sometimes we are gonna get cencored. When that has happened to me sometimes I have found ways to get back on some boards. I sometimes find that entertaining. But I refuse to let fundies get me down when they do censor me. |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 10 2005, 08:25 AM | ||
Apparently We were discussing the conversion of the guy from Korn, I pretty much stated that He was now going to be exploited and dragged out infront of the world as a trophy. I also pointed out that Artists and Musicians in the church who arent pretty or sychophants kissing the pastors fat flabby ass (Those words) were more likely not going to be able to Play in a church. (Yes those words) Suposedly I was banned for "Not playing Nice", but there are fundies there far worse and they never get anything requesting they get banned. Pluse two of the Mods there are Christians..One of them Knew me but the other one is on a power trip and feels that He needs to act like a fucking Nazi. |
| Posted by: ToHellWithMe Mar 10 2005, 01:56 PM | ||
To me this seems to counter your point. After all it was them christians there who had the bigger bombs (operator rights at the forum). |
| Posted by: Raineshower Mar 10 2005, 02:14 PM | ||
Who would really want to spend that much time trying to deconvert fundies? They are some of the most hard-headed, pompous, squirrelly people I know. They can't think on their own. Unlike my other Christian friends.  |
| Posted by: Euthyphro Mar 10 2005, 05:15 PM | ||||
I don't really have any christian friends, aside from Liberal Quakers( mostly deists who cherry pick the philosophy of the human Jesus) Fundamentalist Xians are dishonest when it comes to their religion. When it comes to thier religion most of them are indeed brick walls. They can think on thier own. They can get degrees. They just have a mental illness. If you got a friend who is fundie and you like that person heck why not chat with them about thier bible? Otherwise it is a waste of time from my experience. I have had BY FAR better luck with luke warm christians. Be'ins most xians are luke warm and are more open minded than fundies; it seems more practical to consentrate on them so that fundies will no longer be able to say "This is a christian nation." |
| Posted by: cu_mhorrigan Mar 10 2005, 06:04 PM | ||||
true...but I think that eventually I will get what is mine.. |