We see a face on the moon too.
Is it real?
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| Posted by: JP1283 Mar 9 2005, 09:20 PM |
| What did you all think of these photographs? Were they ever debunked or were they for "real"? JP http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wtcface.htm |
| Posted by: Fweethawt Mar 9 2005, 09:23 PM |
| Don't even go there, JP. We see a face on the moon too. Is it real? |
| Posted by: JP1283 Mar 9 2005, 09:30 PM |
| Oh, Fwee...I'm not obsessing over it or anything...:::nervously bites nails:::: JP |
| Posted by: Fweethawt Mar 9 2005, 09:31 PM | ||
Don't make me call Rameus...  |
| Posted by: ratbag Mar 9 2005, 09:53 PM |
| Wow! What could be, if you squint real hard and clap your hands and say "I do believe in fairies!", sort-of faces in the smoke... that existed for at most a couple of frames. Not very convincing. |
| Posted by: EternalDarkness Mar 10 2005, 12:15 AM |
| Interesting. In one of the pictures, I can see not one, but two faces in the smoke. One which looks like a human face and one which resembles a dragon. But I happen to have a strong imagination, so I'm putting it down to the power of my own mind to see images in smoke... not to a supernatural occurance. |
| Posted by: Reach Mar 10 2005, 02:57 AM | ||
JP, listen to your big brother Fwee and quit looking for new things to worry about, ok? |
| Posted by: Pseudonym Mar 10 2005, 03:16 AM |
| I write surrealist fiction and paint surrealist art for a hobby; I see faces, shapes and entities in everything. Doesn't mean I'm gonna bow down and start worshipping them. |
| Posted by: quicksand Mar 10 2005, 06:36 AM |
| Fweester makes the point perfectly. Man has historically seen faces on the moon as well as dolphins and human faces on Mars. Pattern recognition is what makes us humans so good at math and science. (Read Demon Hunted world by Carl Sagan for more on this.) But I see "faces" too in these clouds. Does that mean its of supernatural origin? No. Humans are born pattern recognizers and this should be no surprise that with the proliferation of cheap cameras and such a horrific event as 911, in the middle of the second largest city in the US, we would get some stills that a pattern, in this case, "faces" were recognized. Also consider what kind of camera(s) that may have shot these pictures, if it had an auto-focus (which locks on to patterns anyway) and auto-shutter, than several dozens pictures can be taken almost instantaneously. What about the other countless pictures of the billowing smoke that were taken that didn't have faces in them? Why aren't they on the internet? Why aren't we making a big deal about them? Besides, the "faces" are not even the same. Sure they look menacing, you'd expect that. Collapsing towers are never a good thing. If the same face was in every single picture and in every single frame of video, then we might have something. But we don't. |
| Posted by: The Acid Washed Messiah Mar 10 2005, 06:39 AM |
| Actually, JP... those faces are definitely supernatural in origin. One is definitely the devil and if you can see it, that means you're going to hell. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't make the rules. |
| Posted by: anony~mouse Mar 10 2005, 07:04 AM |
| Babies respond very positively to anything that looks even remotely like a face. Two dots in a row and a straight line underneath, for example. It's very abstract, but instantly, the baby thinks, "Human face!" If we weren't constantly on the lookout for human faces - particularly babies - we wouldn't be able to survive for very long. |
| Posted by: jaded Mar 10 2005, 07:21 AM |
| Relax JP, the world is not ending. There is no demonic struggle for all of mankind that started on September 11. That is unless you call a certain head of state a demonic character who is out to end the world. Seriously, too many groups are trying to take a random occurrence and use it to their advantage. As others have said we are programmed to recognize faces. If you look close, they really are not very clear faces and are only vaguely human. If a force was capable of creating a face in the smoke in order to send a message, don't you think that message would be more clear? Would it want us debating whether it is really a face or not? Why not just appear in every flame, every cloud, every smoke plume, every mixed drink? Hell, why not make it easy and just tell us all what it wants? Why not have a prophet (or is that profit) that performs verifiable miracles? The people who promote that as proof of god, satan, or the magical butt bunny are grasping at straws because that is all they have. If there was any real proof none of us would be doubting. |
| Posted by: anony~mouse Mar 10 2005, 07:26 AM | ||
YOU SHUT UP ABOUT THE MAGICAL BUTT BUNNY!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM!!! ...heathen.  |
| Posted by: Godless Wonder Mar 10 2005, 08:13 AM |
| This reminds me of an art project the teacher had the class do in 7th grade art class. You took a big piece of watercolor paper, covered it with a layer of water (just get it wet) then put a couple of colors of watercolor paint on in a loose wash and let the paint kind of spread around, it kidn of makes cloudlike formations, big abstract blobs and fields of color with the intensity of color varying here and there. Let that dry. Then, get some india ink and a pen, and look in the clouds on the paper and pick out forms you see in the paint, and sort of emphasize and flesh them out with the pen. Everybody drew faces everywhere. It was very common to see a finished piece with 20 or 30 faces the student had picked out and emphasized. The human mind has evolved to be very keen on recognizing faces, and gets "false positives" all the time. |
| Posted by: I Broke Free Mar 10 2005, 08:31 AM |
| Ridiculous!! Satan was not responsible for the collapse of the World Trade Center, it was those damned homosexuals! Look again more closely. I see Ellen and Rosy and that prissy blond Queer Eye guy. Let's give credit where credit is due. |
| Posted by: Mr. Neil Mar 10 2005, 08:41 AM | ||
I'm a writer/illustrator, and I'm quite aware of this phenomenon myself. My brain is particularly tuned to this sort of thing. I see faces in wood grain, paint textures, carpet fibers, and in all sorts of mundane things. I see other things, too, but they're not messages from above and beyond. I recognize these things as interpretations being made by my own imagination. It's not as amazing as people make it out to be. It's the human brain picking out a small portion of a random pattern and interpretting it as a face. We're very tuned to the eyes-nose-and-mouth configuration. If you'll notice, practically every face that has ever appeared, whether in smoke or on a grilled cheese sandwich, is almost completely void of detail and it's only the crude configuration of shapes and shadows that make you think that it's a face. |
| Posted by: LloydDobler Mar 10 2005, 09:43 AM |
FYI JP, snopes is a site dedicated to debunking shit. It's ironic that you would ask 'have they been debunked?' while linking snopes.... read your own damn link! |
| Posted by: The Acid Washed Messiah Mar 10 2005, 12:25 PM | ||
No, dammit! EVARY ON EOF U GODLES HEATHANS ARE GOIN TO HELL! THEM WERE THE THE DEVIL"S FACE! |
| Posted by: saviorforsale Mar 10 2005, 12:42 PM | ||
yeh, same here. but, what about the faces in the bubbles when I take a piss?  they tell me things... |
| Posted by: Mr. Neil Mar 10 2005, 01:16 PM |
| You may want to see a psychiatrist about those. |
| Posted by: JP1283 Mar 10 2005, 06:17 PM | ||
FYI Lloyd- This particular legend was listed as "undetermined." And for being mouthy, I'm not giving you sex tonight. JP |
| Posted by: Slayer-2004 Mar 10 2005, 09:25 PM |
| Faces appear in nature much more often then you would think . They are all over the place in the form of rock formations in Arizona . If you take some ink and splotch it around it wont be long before you can find something that resembles a face . |
| Posted by: quicksand Mar 11 2005, 09:44 AM | ||||||
Which reminds me Slayer about the recent buzz over neanderthal face carvings/sculptures – which could be just us recognizing the pattern of a human face. (Which is tertiary to the problems that Graham Hancock has with his identification of underwater sites as possible cities of hitherto unknown lost civilizations.) http://]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3197402.stm
or.... http://]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3256228.stm
The jury though, still seems out on these. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. |
| Posted by: SilentLoner Mar 11 2005, 12:44 PM |
| Hmmm...I think the one on the left looks like a teletubby. And the one on the right...i dont know why but it reminds me of Joan Rivers. |