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| Printable Version of Topic Click here to view this topic in its original format ExChristian.Net Open Forums > Debating with Christians > Does The Bible Really Contradict Itself? Posted by: openMinded_Christian May 28 2004, 01:56 PM I have read many of your testimonies and many of the posts that are made here daily. As I stated in the begining "My purpose here is to learn." And that is exactly what I've been doing. I've noticed that many of you have stated or concluded that the Bible contradicts itself. However, I have not seen anyone give a scripture that says, for example, in Mark 21:X Jesus states "1+1=2" but in Matthew 14:X Jesus is quoted saying "1+1=3". Or maybe not even Jesus what about something God has said contradicting Jesus, Paul or anything w/in the Bible contradicting anything w/in the Bible. I'm not saying that these contradictions don't exist. It may be that my blind faith has made these verses disappear from the page I'm reading. I would like to see them along w/Bible verses. Feel free to post any two Biblical verses that you feel that may contradict each other (you need two verses b/c one has to say this and the other has to say that). Also, please feel free to give your opinion/feelings on your comment. If you have taken an idea from another source please be kind and note that source so I may study more into the topic. Posted by: IAm_Lucifer May 28 2004, 02:20 PM QUOTE Does The Bible Really Contradict Itself? No. We evil unbelievers are just looking for reasons to turn our back on god. Posted by: ericf May 28 2004, 02:27 PM John 8:14 "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true." John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." Record" and "witness" in the above verses are the same Greek word (martyria). That is just one of many... but you just wanted two verses. Posted by: Reality Amplifier May 28 2004, 02:28 PM http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ Contradictions SAB Index http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/short.html http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/links.html Have fun Posted by: _Jenna May 28 2004, 02:31 PM Just a few contradictions (from: http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/extra/bible-contradictions.html) The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark -- is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem -- a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ' father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan. Of the various methods I've seen to "explain" these: 1. "That is to be taken metaphorically" In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD - which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want... 2. "There was more there than...." This is used when one verse says "there was a" and another says "there was b", so they decide there was "a" AND "b" -which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T "a+b". But it doesn't say there was "a+b+litle green martians". This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e. only "a") and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses. 3. "It has to be understood in context" I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set is suppose to be taken as THE TRUTH when if you add more to it it suddenly becomes "out of context". How many of you have goten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown up at you? 4. "there was just a copying/writing error" This is sometimes called a "transcription error", as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or that what was "quoted" wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said when he thought it was said. And that's right - I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the bible itself is wrong. 5. "That is a miracle". Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact. 6. "God works in mysterious ways" A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the bible SAYS and what they WISH it said. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God good to all, or just a few? PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- War or Peace? EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it : MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is Jesus equal to or lesser than? JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which first--beasts or man? GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The number of beasts in the ark GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many stalls and horsemen? KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it folly to be wise or not? PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that in- creaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. 1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human vs. ghostly impregnation ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ac- cording to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came togeth- er, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The sins of the father ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the chil- dren, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bat is not a bird LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomina- tion: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind; LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapw- ing, and the bat. DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat. DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the ea- gle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind, DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind, DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan, DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cor- morant, DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rabbits do not chew their cud LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. 'Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the KJV is more exactly 'bring up the cud'. Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Insects do NOT have four feet LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snails do not melt PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fowl from waters or ground? GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Odd genetic engineering GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The shape of the earth ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Earth supported? JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Heaven supported too JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The hydrological cycle ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail, Storehouses are not part of the cycle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Order of creation Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition: Day 1: Sky, Earth, light Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!) Day 3: Plants Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids) Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.) Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time) Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did) Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good". The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes: Earth and heavens (misty) Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth) Plants Animals Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How orderly were things created? #1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days". #2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How satisfied with creation was he? #1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied. #2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moses' personality Num.12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth." Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Righteous live? Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree." Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Matt. 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus' first sermon plain or mount? Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...." Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jesus' last words Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Years of famine II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee? I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moved David to anger? II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah. I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The GENEALOGY OF JESUS? In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary (PBUH) is mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus(PBUH). The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God be seen? Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9 God CAN be seen: "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23) "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11) "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30) God CANNOT be seen: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20) "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD: "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling." "The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11) "For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34) "The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9) "God is love." (1 John 4:16) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tempts? "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (Gen 22:1) "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Judas died how? "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5) "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ascend to heaven "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11) "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial? Before the cock crow - Matthew 26:34 Before the cock crow twice - Mark 14:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many times did the cock crow? MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept. MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew. MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly. LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew. LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice. JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who killed Saul SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him. SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together. SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the king- dom of heaven. MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comfort- ed. MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteous- ness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and per- secute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does every man sin? KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near; CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near; PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to for- give us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who bought potter's field ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of ini- quity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Acelda- ma, that is to say, The field of blood. MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who prophesied the potter's field? Matthew 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in Zechariah 11:12-13 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who bears guilt? GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you answer a fool? PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have? SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign? KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage? Proverbs 18:22 1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice? ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where was Jesus three days after his baptism? MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilder- ness. JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; (various trapsing) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How many apostles were in office between the resurection and ascention? 1 Corinthians 15:5 (12) Matthew 27:3-5 (minus one from 12) Acts 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection) MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Judging 1 Cor 3:15 " The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV) 1 Cor 4:5 " Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good deeds Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV) Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For or against? MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. (default is against) MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. (default is for) LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. (default is for) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whom did they see at the tomb? MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. God change? malachi 3:6 james 1:17 1 samuel 15:29 jonah 3:10 genesis 6:6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah) MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; zechariah 11:11-13 (nothing in Jeremiah remotely like) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who's sepulchers acts 7:16 genesis 23:17,18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strong drink? proverbs 31:6,7 john 2:11-11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When second coming? MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 1 thessalonians 4:15-18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Solomon's overseers 550 in I Kings 9:23 250 in II Chron 8:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The mother of Abijah: Maachah the daughter of Absalom 2 Chron 9:20 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel 2 Chron 13:2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When did Baasha die? 26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8 36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign? 22 in 2 Kings 8:26 42 in 2 Chron 22:2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who was Josiah's successor? Jehoahaz - 2 Chron 36:1 Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial? scarlet - Matthew 27:28 purple John 19:2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What did they give him to drink? vinegar - Matthew 27:34 wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How long was Jesus in the tomb? Depends where you look; Matthew 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth", and Mark 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again". As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days", but the post-resurrection narratives have "on the third day". Posted by: TruthWarrior May 28 2004, 02:36 PM QUOTE "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Jesus speaking in Matthew 5:22 QUOTE "You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?" - Jesus speaking in Matthew 23:17 Oops! It's also the same word for fool (moros). Posted by: TexasFreethinker May 28 2004, 03:40 PM Two different accounts of Joseph being sold into slavery by the Midianites: QUOTE Gen 37:28 Then Midianite traders passed by; and they drew Joesph up and lifted him out of the pit, and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver; and they took Joseph to Egypt. Gen 37:36 Meanwhile, the Midianites had sold him [Joseph] to Potiphar, an official of Pharaoh, the captain of the guard. The old testament says Ahimelech was the high priest when David took consecrated bread on the Sabbath. Jesus says it was Abiathar: QUOTE 1 Samuel 21 1 David went to Nob, to Ahimelech the priest. Ahimelech trembled when he met him, and asked, "Why are you alone? Why is no one with you?" 2 David answered Ahimelech the priest, "The king charged me with a certain matter and said to me, 'No one is to know anything about your mission and your instructions.' As for my men, I have told them to meet me at a certain place. 3 Now then, what do you have on hand? Give me five loaves of bread, or whatever you can find." Mark 2 25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." Posted by: _Kevin May 28 2004, 04:01 PM Is it not strange that the inconsistencies have been allowed to remain in the bible? If I was one of the translators, and I knew some of the verses didn't jive, I would be whipping out my White-out and *correcting* the mistakes. (The JW's managed to do this to their New World Translation quite effectively, and they have never named their translators). I've read the discrepancies, and so what? It does not change the message or the doctrine, unless you want to make a big thing out of it. Posted by: chefranden May 28 2004, 04:14 PM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 28 2004, 06:01 PM) Is it not strange that the inconsistencies have been allowed to remain in the bible? If I was one of the translators, and I knew some of the verses didn't jive, I would be whipping out my White-out and *correcting* the mistakes. (The JW's managed to do this to their New World Translation quite effectively, and they have never named their translators). I've read the discrepancies, and so what? It does not change the message or the doctrine, unless you want to make a big thing out of it. If it doesn't change doctrine, how do you get the 10,000 Xian Sects? There has been plenty of whiteout flowing in sects other than JW's. NIV and the Amplified both support faith only as opposed to by works in the NIV's subtle and the Amplified's not so subtle word selection. The NIV fiddles with OT passages used for prophecy and doctrine in the NT so that they are not so obviously conflicting. For example the use of virgin in Isaiah 7:14 instead of young woman, and the use of the future instead of the present tense in the same verse. I think that the conflict of the real Isaiah 7:14 with Matthew is something that certainly would change doctrine and the message if taken at face value by Xians. Paul tells you that you are saved by faith not by works. Jesus and James tell you that you are saved by works. That seems to be a pretty meaningful conflict, testified to by the numerous sects it has spawned. Posted by: DoubleDee May 28 2004, 04:18 PM OpenMinded Christian, I commend you for being so brave to come to an X christian forum and asking to see the contradictions for yourself. I recently left christianity because of the contradictions among other problems I found that are in the bible. I was going to list several contradictions but I see several others have posted before me some of the glaring problems. I don't want to repeat the same info but will list 2 sites I didn't see posted yet. http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/index.html http://www.bidstrup.com/bible2.htm Enjoy the reading, I do hope it will be enlightening for you. DD Posted by: R.C. May 28 2004, 05:09 PM QUOTE Isa 6:6-7 6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth with it, and said: "Behold, this has touched your lips; Your iniquity is taken away, And your sin purged." Versus QUOTE Heb 9:22 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness Forgiveness of sins w/o shedding of blood was quite commonplace in the OT. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ QUOTE Matt 25:34-46 34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." This passage says that doing good makes one worthy of heaven. No mention of faith in christ being a pre-requisite. The gospel of John states that w/o beleiving in jesus, no one can enter heaven. RC Posted by: chefranden May 28 2004, 05:52 PM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 28 2004, 06:01 PM) Is it not strange that the inconsistencies have been allowed to remain in the bible? Kevin, Now don't tell me that you have fallen for the old, the Bible is perfect, because it is flawed, argument. chef Posted by: R.C. May 28 2004, 06:07 PM QUOTE (chefranden @ May 28 2004, 05:52 PM) Now don't tell me that you have fallen for the old, the Bible is perfect, because it is flawed, argument. I just read this review at Amazon.com for the book Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy. I wonder if this is the apologetic wiggle worm for the new era?: QUOTE I am a Christian who freely admits that the Bible has errors. Sound like a contradiction? Well, its not, and I will explain why. God has allowed errors to be in the Bible quite deliberately. Why would he do such a thing? Simple. God opposes the Proud, but gives grace to the Humble. Since only Proud/Arrogant people would look for errors in the Bible, God put them there so that they will find those errors. That way, the Proud and Arrogant will lose faith in Christianity. And go to hell because of their Arrogance and lack of faith. God is pretty smart, isn't He? There will be no arrogant people in Heaven. Nice move. I'm not sure if this guy is joshing, but I have heard a few others imply something very similar. RC Posted by: chefranden May 28 2004, 07:05 PM I'm afraid I'm might wake Sweetie up with laughing. QUOTE God is pretty smart, isn't He? There will be no arrogant people in Heaven. Maybe he won't have any arrogant people, but he'll have plenty of stupid ones. Oh, My sides ache. Posted by: DoubleDee May 28 2004, 07:21 PM QUOTE (R.C. @ May 28 2004, 06:07 PM) QUOTE (chefranden @ May 28 2004, 05:52 PM) Now don't tell me that you have fallen for the old, the Bible is perfect, because it is flawed, argument. I just read this review at Amazon.com for the book Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy. I wonder if this is the apologetic wiggle worm for the new era?: QUOTE I am a Christian who freely admits that the Bible has errors. Sound like a contradiction? Well, its not, and I will explain why. God has allowed errors to be in the Bible quite deliberately. Why would he do such a thing? Simple. God opposes the Proud, but gives grace to the Humble. Since only Proud/Arrogant people would look for errors in the Bible, God put them there so that they will find those errors. That way, the Proud and Arrogant will lose faith in Christianity. And go to hell because of their Arrogance and lack of faith. God is pretty smart, isn't He? There will be no arrogant people in Heaven. Nice move. I'm not sure if this guy is joshing, but I have heard a few others imply something very similar. RC ROFL!! It sounds to much like my xtian husbands argument. Hubby says god allows the errors so that we will worship "Him" instead of the bible. DD Posted by: Bill Johnson May 28 2004, 07:27 PM QUOTE (Reality Amplifier @ May 28 2004, 05:28 PM) http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ Contradictions SAB Index http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/short.html http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/links.html Have fun I dislike The Skeptics Annotated Bible because everything is out of context. If one is going to show contradictions at least do it in detail. There are many "contradictions" on that site that aren't contradictions at all, and then there are many that are in fact contradictions. The only thing it is really good for is so that one can see what verses seem to contradict one another, so that one can study the conflicting passages and decide if they are in fact contradictions. Posted by: extremeone May 28 2004, 07:59 PM QUOTE I am a Christian who freely admits that the Bible has errors. Sound like a contradiction? Well, its not, and I will explain why. God has allowed errors to be in the Bible quite deliberately. Why would he do such a thing? Simple. God opposes the Proud, but gives grace to the Humble. Since only Proud/Arrogant people would look for errors in the Bible, God put them there so that they will find those errors. That way, the Proud and Arrogant will lose faith in Christianity. And go to hell because of their Arrogance and lack of faith. God is pretty smart, isn't He? There will be no arrogant people in Heaven. Nice move. Its funn(d)y how most of these retards can speak for Gawd even think for him... hows that?.. these foo's need a serious reality check...but if it sounds good to them i guess thats all that matters to them...i really dont give 2 fucks what they think... its their brain... let them poison it,the day they die... they will see. Posted by: _Kevin May 28 2004, 08:26 PM EX1 QUOTE the day they die... they will see. Sorry to pick on you EX1, but THAT is funny. It's almost...biblical. A biblical contradiction of sorts! Posted by: Fweethawt May 28 2004, 08:37 PM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 29 2004, 12:26 AM) EX1 QUOTE the day they die... they will see. Sorry to pick on you EX1, but THAT is funny. It's almost...biblical. A biblical contradiction of sorts! Kevin, I'm sure that what EX1 meant to say is that, "It's too bad that they WON'T see the detriment that they brought to society by tying up millions of hours of mind power, that could have been used for a good cause, instead of trying to unravel and unanswerable riddle that was made for the sole purpose of shutting minds down to reality." That's funny, huh? Posted by: _Kevin May 28 2004, 08:59 PM Fwee: QUOTE I'm sure that what EX1 meant to say is that, "It's too bad that they WON'T see the detriment that they brought to society by tying up millions of hours of mind power, that could have been used for a good cause, instead of trying to unravel and unanswerable riddle that was made for the sole purpose of shutting minds down to reality." That's funny, huh? Fwee: You are a kind hearted soul. Gawd bless yer guvnor! Kevin: Posted by: Fweethawt May 28 2004, 09:04 PM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 29 2004, 12:59 AM) Fwee: You are a kind hearted soul. Gawd bless yer guvnor! Kevin: Kind-hearted? Me? Yeah, at the expense of sounding like I'm tooting my own horn, I'll accept that as a compliment. I really do care a great deal about people in general. It's a lonely road to travel, believe me. Now log in Kevin! Quit playing these little anonymity games. Posted by: SpaceFalcon2001 May 28 2004, 10:10 PM Ach, it's so icky to see the contradictions of bad translations. Posted by: challenger1 May 28 2004, 10:10 PM Gotta love this thread. . . This isn't exactly contradictions but it's pretty close. I asked (in email) MFF (my favorite fundy) about some of Jesus' prophecies. She claimed he fulfilled every one of them. I just pointed out Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". I said that if I'd been in that crowd from the way it's written I would have expected to see it happen in my lifetime. Her reply: "I'm not sure how to answer that, I'll have to get back to you". That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting. If she has an answer for that I've got some other questions from the four gospels I'd like to ask her Posted by: Fweethawt May 28 2004, 10:19 PM QUOTE (challenger1 @ May 29 2004, 02:10 AM) Gotta love this thread. . . This isn't exactly contradictions but it's pretty close. I asked (in email) MFF (my favorite fundy) about some of Jesus' prophecies. She claimed he fulfilled every one of them. I just pointed out Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". I said that if I'd been in that crowd from the way it's written I would have expected to see it happen in my lifetime. Her reply: "I'm not sure how to answer that, I'll have to get back to you". That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting. If she has an answer for that I've got some other questions from the four gospels I'd like to ask her OO! OO! OO! I know the answer to that one! OO! OO! OO! *raising hand and waving it like crazy* Posted by: extremeone May 28 2004, 10:25 PM QUOTE (Fweethawt @ May 28 2004, 08:37 PM) QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 29 2004, 12:26 AM) EX1 QUOTE the day they die... they will see. Sorry to pick on you EX1, but THAT is funny. It's almost...biblical. A biblical contradiction of sorts! Kevin, I'm sure that what EX1 meant to say is that, "It's too bad that they WON'T see the detriment that they brought to society by tying up millions of hours of mind power, that could have been used for a good cause, instead of trying to unravel and unanswerable riddle that was made for the sole purpose of shutting minds down to reality." That's funny, huh? yes fwee... thats what i was saying... but ..people that are not in a certain mind set wont get alot of whats type'd on this board.... thanks for clearing my mess up. -EX1 Posted by: extremeone May 28 2004, 10:29 PM QUOTE (challenger1 @ May 28 2004, 10:10 PM) Gotta love this thread. . . This isn't exactly contradictions but it's pretty close. I asked (in email) MFF (my favorite fundy) about some of Jesus' prophecies. She claimed he fulfilled every one of them. I just pointed out Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". I said that if I'd been in that crowd from the way it's written I would have expected to see it happen in my lifetime. Her reply: "I'm not sure how to answer that, I'll have to get back to you". That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting. If she has an answer for that I've got some other questions from the four gospels I'd like to ask her you will never get an awnser...i've been waiting over 5 months for a preacher/dude to awnser a ? i asked about the OT prophecy'z jesus takes /or givin credit for.... your awnser will never come. -EX1 Posted by: Fweethawt May 28 2004, 11:06 PM QUOTE (extremeone @ May 29 2004, 02:29 AM) QUOTE (challenger1 @ May 28 2004, 10:10 PM) Gotta love this thread. . . This isn't exactly contradictions but it's pretty close. I asked (in email) MFF (my favorite fundy) about some of Jesus' prophecies. She claimed he fulfilled every one of them. I just pointed out Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom". I said that if I'd been in that crowd from the way it's written I would have expected to see it happen in my lifetime. Her reply: "I'm not sure how to answer that, I'll have to get back to you". That was three weeks ago and I'm still waiting. If she has an answer for that I've got some other questions from the four gospels I'd like to ask her you will never get an awnser...i've been waiting over 5 months for a preacher/dude to awnser a ? i asked about the OT prophecy'z jesus takes /or givin credit for.... your awnser will never come. -EX1 Well, I know the answer to this one. You see, Jesus wasn't talking about the physical death. He was talking about the spiritual death. Which means that nobody actually dies until after the final judgement. The spiritual death that he was speaking of, is the death that all of us here at this forum are going to experience once we are condemned for all eternity by the Bible God. All of the people who have died since this statement was made, never really died. They are just laying in their graves, right now, at this very moment, in a state of suspended animation and they are completely oblivious to the continuation of time during this period. Now, on resurrection day, they/we will all be brought forth to the judgement throne where we either get a halo or an ass kicking. (an eternal ass-kicking BTW) So you see, there is a completely logical explanation for the above mentioned statements. OK. So maybe that wasn't an answer. But I'll bet it's darn close to the one that a fundy will give you. Posted by: TexasFreethinker May 29 2004, 05:18 AM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 28 2004, 07:01 PM) Is it not strange that the inconsistencies have been allowed to remain in the bible? If I was one of the translators, and I knew some of the verses didn't jive, I would be whipping out my White-out and *correcting* the mistakes. (The JW's managed to do this to their New World Translation quite effectively, and they have never named their translators). I've read the discrepancies, and so what? It does not change the message or the doctrine, unless you want to make a big thing out of it. Kevin, it sounds like you're saying you would be dishonest to push the christian agenda. Not that this hasn't happened in the past, but don't you see a contradiction/lack of morals there? Even translators who have been tempted to do this have had to worry about being exposed by other, more honest translators. Fear of god may not prevent people like you from "correcting" the bible, but luckily fear of being exposed as a fraud by other translators has. Posted by: _Kevin May 29 2004, 09:14 AM TF QUOTE Kevin, it sounds like you're saying you would be dishonest to push the christian agenda. Hi TF My example was not to be taken that literally. The chances of me becoming a translator are pretty slim, but if I was one and came across a contradiction I would be tempted to *amend* it in some way. Fwee: I am honestly not playing games by not logging in. I really thought I was done this this place, but I actually missed you all. The different characters here combine to sometimes produce a beautiful multi-colored quilt of ideas. I have decided to stay on my side of the fence though, where I belong. I am prone to saying unpopular things sometimes, as you all well know. So it's nice to be able to duck behind the fence sometimes, when the crap starts coming my way! Hearing those thuds as they hit the fence can be both amusing and frightening. Kevin: Posted by: Bill Johnson May 29 2004, 09:30 AM *Thud, Thud....Thud* Posted by: Cerise May 29 2004, 09:51 AM QUOTE (_Kevin @ May 29 2004, 09:14 AM) I have decided to stay on my side of the fence though, where I belong. I am prone to saying unpopular things sometimes, as you all well know. So it's nice to be able to duck behind the fence sometimes, when the crap starts coming my way! Ah, I love the smell of cowardism in the morning... Onward Christian Soldier, then. Posted by: _Kevin May 29 2004, 09:54 AM Bill QUOTE *Thud, Thud....Thud* That sounded like someones head being crushed by Vinnie's car door. Great movie btw Bill (Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels) Kevin: Posted by: _Kevin May 29 2004, 10:03 AM Cerise: QUOTE Ah, I love the smell of cowardism in the morning... Onward Christian Soldier, then. Cowardism on the internet. Interesting. If you knew me you would not be saying that. I highly doubt you would say it if you were standing in front of me either..... I prefer to call it "preserving my sanity" Kevin: Posted by: Cerise May 29 2004, 11:17 AM Don't try to claim you have any sanity Kev, my man. You're hanging around here again, aren't you? Posted by: chefranden May 29 2004, 12:08 PM QUOTE (DoubleDee @ May 28 2004, 09:21 PM) ROFL!! It sounds to much like my xtian husbands argument. Hubby says god allows the errors so that we will worship "Him" instead of the bible. DD This attitude reminds me of this old joke, not very funny but to the point. Guy goes over to his neighbor's house to borrow his axe. "Sam, Pleas |